Hey, don't get old. If you find you're not able to maintain that because other things keep popping up, maybe those other things need to be included in your normal plan as well. If you don’t follow your spending, you risk going into credit card debt or over-drafting your checking account. Saving with a purpose is better. However, it was and is recommended that you put your savings account in the budget group because the method teaches giving dollars a job and PURPOSE. I am happy to report that, over a year later, my "normalized guesses" were actually pretty good averages in most cases. I think I have convinced myself that a Savings/Budgeted report is not good. You Need a Budget, or YNAB, earns the top spot because of the company’s renowned budgeting philosophy and reputation. The report should compare what the user budgeted with what they truly did as a snapshot in time. Tracking Accounts hold money you don't plan to spend soon, such as investments, or loans you're paying down. What you plan to do with the money doesn't change, just where it's located. And if I transfer the funds, how to I assign an Emergency category? We want to transfer money to savings accounts and track balances through YNAB…what are we missing? Thanks JoeDid. Integrates accounts: YNAB allows you to track your spending in one place, even if you have multiple debit cards and are tracking several types of debt. If I move $100 from the available balance of the rainy day fund to cover overspending elsewhere, then the Allocation chart for the month should continue to show 0, not -100. When I buy something with the cash I record it as a transaction/transfer. YNAB Features When you set up your YNAB account, you’ll be able to sync your accounts for automatic data import. Again, I'm still less than a month in so we have different perspectives here. The -$100 needs to at least be shown somewhere (the moon pie, in my example) as a change in priority. If you don't need those benefits, then you are absolutely correct that one only needs one account, because your categories sequester the money for you. However, … I know it isn't the recommended method, but by keeping my savings account off-budget, I can easily see what percent of my funds are diverted for savings and drill down to see which savings categories received the most funds. YNAB also simplifies the process of tracking your spending by allowing you to connect the program directly to your bank and credit card accounts to download transactions. Good question. Then assign those dollars to those categories. nolesrule Thank you! You're 100% correct that your bills don't care what percentage of your budget they are, but I'd argue seeing a Just for Fun category that totally dwarfs and Savings provide guidance. When budget amounts are fluctuating because of income timing or "borrowing", there's naturally going to be increased focus on those particular amounts. I'm sorry to be so clueless about this and I appreciate you sticking with me. As I often mention in my posts, it’s really important to budget and to track your expenses. While we all know that the best practice for saving is to just look at the budget screen, and that savings accounts should be on budget as explained above, the current solution (which we should keep) does set aside the ability to see a graphic representation of the budgetary, saving decisions. Because I sent it out of the budget portion of down into this tracking account. I read in a thread somewhere here that YNAB staff advised someone to move his savings account to ON BUDGET, where he had had it as a tracking account. A Budget Account is one that you will spend money from in the near future (usually within the next year or two). Having it as a tracking account throws things off because when you move money out it looks like and expense and when you bring it back in to use it looks like income. They are what they are. That makes it impossible to reconcile the account with the bank, which I do every month. This sounds like a complicated approach. All I can come up with for a "job" for these funds is UNKNOWN. Under the “Add Account” menu in YNAB, you may have noticed the tracking account options: Asset accounts and Liability accounts. Move Light Sound Life you're right, I should have said actuals plus nominals, with the actuals typically being negative. . This happens naturally when reallocating (ala Rule 3). WordTenor Then why not just have one account? An important distinction between the two budgeting apps is that Mint offers investment and credit score tracking, while YNAB does not. Ivory Stallion So, when I started, I had a certain idea of what my monthly expenses were. jenmas I found this post after a search. I'm new, and this thread has been extremely clarifying. YNAB's primary mission, as you might expect, is to help you curb overspending and avoid living from paycheck to paycheck. It's possible that what I'm looking for would be better incorporated as a Toolkit Report. I had to 1) unlink the budget accounts, 2) create new accounts (needed to temporarily name them a different name), 3) copy the transactions in the budget accounts and move them to the new tracking accounts, 4) delete the opening balance in the new tracking accounts – so I didn’t show double the balance, 5) delete the old budget accounts, 6) re-categorize each of the moved … Savings are treated differently since they track available balance rather than spending. . Basically, you’ll start with the free 34-day trial to see if YNAB is the right budgeting app for you, and then you’ll pay a small monthly fee after that. That needs to happen regardless of whether the transfer has a category assigned or not.". And while we're at it, if you simply use PayPal as a faster way to checkout and send/receive money in your other accounts, you don't even need to add it at all! Bottom line is that the current reports are all based on spending, and if you try to game the system by putting savings off-budget to include them in the spending reports, not only are you creating a lot of extra work for you, but those same reports still won't quite be accurate and will get messed up when it's time to use the money. It's not like the $20 in my wallet has "2pm Diet Coke Emergency" written on it in Sharpie even though it is likely that's where some of it will go. The Relationship Between Your Budget & Your Accounts: It’s Complicated. Likewise, if I have to replace my tires, the tire company isn't going to charge me based on my income. It could be a simple flag on the category group banner. YNAB is unlike any personal finance app, expense tracker, or money management system you’ve tried before, because it is based on our proven method— YNAB’s Four Rules. Adding Credit Cards & Debts . This math does not make sense to me. I get it now, thanks! If you don't need it, why is it sitting in a savings account and not working for you? Therefore, the YNAB approach is definitely better and more efficient than traditional budgeting. Or do I budget $1000 for it this month and then it'll just stay there forever until I use it? After that, I transfer X to the Savings account (no category allowed, but it has already been taken care of.). One that would simply fill in nominal values and then not nag you after reallocation. :). The dollars in Budget Accounts are included in your budget (which you can tell from our super-clever naming scheme). I just like understanding. I certainly don't "spend" from my savings account. YNAB (You Need A Budget) ... You can manage your bank accounts, track your income and outgoings, set budgets and forecast your future financial position with ease. We'll see if I change my mind. This is a really helpful thread. Some time this week, I'll break that $20 and use $5 as a tip when I get a pedi I think, but can't guarantee. So now, what this does is, it gives me the account so I can keep track of the balance while the account itself is not gonna add money to my budget. I have the honor to be your obedient servant. More I'm thinking about this, more I realize that in my case, off budget makes the most sense. Today, I’m going to walk you through what these account types are for, and talk about why you might do better to just ignore them! YNAB puts you in control of your budget and encourages you to set spending and savings … It sounds like you would be interested in a "Budgeted/Available Over Time" type of report, which seems rather complicated, but could be interesting. Thanks for making me think about it again. dakinemaui Was just coming to say this, thanks, I’ll show myself out now. I think the report I've mentioned would help users get to a normalized budget. Best practice is described above: budget savings, use savings accounts on budget, and separate categories from accounts. I'll transfer the account to on-budget for now, but seriously: How do I assign a job to dollars that have no job? With Rule 1 in the YNAB Method, you'll Give Every Dollar a Job. Overbudgeting should be added to the moon in both graphs, and labeled "fake money" with some directive about how to fix it. EveryDollar has basic and automated versions of its budgeting apps. Working towards a normalized budget will help you feel like you can confidently fund those categories sufficiently. Powered by Help Scout. PayPal accounts are a great example: if you have a PayPal account where you receive, store, and spend funds, choose Checking or Cash. All savings is done by putting money in categories in the budget. I did read the post you linked to and I get the right/left pocket analogy. I suppose the success of YNAB comes from being prepared for dollar amounts in specific jobs, not percentages of income in specific jobs. With two accounts, a Savings and Checking account, there is the added hassle of moving money from Savings to Checking. Even though it is not technically "spent", I appreciate the graphic analysis of savings. With its main focus being budget first, spend later – you'll still need to play around with your budget before you can set-it … What's important for savings is how much money was budgeted and remains available in the given timeframe. Things don't sink in as fast as they used to. It gives a more far-sighted analysis and warns you before things go out of your hand. This could be an interesting thing for toolkit people to play with, kind of like the "Balance Over Time" report - it's interesting to look at, but I don't really see a purpose. What has become evident here is that I think of this savings account as an emergency fund -- DO NOT TOUCH THIS, JOE -- and having it out of the way, rather than still sitting in a visible account whose balance is lumped in with my available spending cash, is contrary to what I see as its "job.". I see that the funds entering my checking account go to TBB from which I assign X to the Savings category. If I move my Savings Account on-budget then I can no longer use the reports to see what percent of my budget is allocated to saving. It's not bad - just the math that supports Rule #3. I'll have to think about this more before I put in a feature request. Early on, I would find it useful to contrast my expressed priorities with my habits so that I can better align my budget to reflect reality or align my habits with my priorities. The -$100 needs to at least be shown somewhere (the moon pie, in my example) as a change in priority. Fair point. With these goals in mind, users then connect their checking, savings, and credit card accounts, develop a budget and goals for their money, and track their finances as they go. I honestly couldn't tell you. Note: You can also add non-budget accounts called “Tracking” accounts. I have a brokerage account with a cash account (which can be withdrawn at any time) and then the actual stocks. The way I use YNAB, I'm never "spending" from my savings categories, and if there are no transactions then those funds are totally omitted from the reports. I think the desire is more prevalent in those who haven't quite embraced Rule 2 and achieved a fairly consistent budget. The dollars in tracking accounts are not included in your budget. In a perfect budget, all spending categories would be zero so a graphical representation would only show savings. They aren't interchangeable though! No interest, no late fees, … 5 You Need a Budget (YNAB) Alternatives - Best Wallet Hacks CNBC Select can help you decide if it's right for you. By the way, Buffer, Emergency Fund, and other rainy day funds ( as they used to be called ) are all examples of budgeting categories that you would assign dollars to that you didn't really spend out of frequently (hopefully!). JoeDid Except that the dollars DO have a purpose. Credit Card and Line of Credit accounts typically have a negative or $0.00 balance, and funds spent from these accounts become debt. If you 100% didn't want to budget the amount in your savings account, you should leave it in tracking. But the other reality is that the money has a reason for being in the savings account. But I'm still trying to figure out the status of the $1,000 in my savings account right now. It's important that they be set up as the correct account type, because their type will indicate how they behave in your budget. Your explanation did it. Sudden house repairs? The report reflects spending activity and available savings. But I may move money out of it. I could reach my initial target balance by routinely savings and grow complacent, but if I'm accustomed to looking at a report and feeling proud that 40% of my income goes to savings goals then I'll adjust my goal and continue so that I don't have a month where my savings plummet down to 15% because I hit my target goal. But it is so worth it to make the effort to understand for both simplicity's sake and for the benefit to interest earning. When budget entries are driven solely by priority, scope, and expense timeline things are simpler. I'm going to do it the way JoeDid in the beginning because it works for me. I really like your idea of having a chart for Budgeted and Available. YNAB Vs. Mint. Is it job loss? Again, there’s no dedicated feature to helping you reach your savings goals. Essentially, this new report would be the same as the current spending totals charts except, it would insert a slice for Category groups flagged as Savings/Internal and instead of reporting on "spending" it would reflect available funds. There are five Budget Account options to choose from: Tough decision? This would filter out available funds from previous months and only show what you've saved during the current period, side by side with what you spent across your non-savings categories. Say my nominal in Groceries is $500, but I spent (and reallocated to cover, thus budgeted) $550. This category is where Mint and YNAB begin to differentiate themselves. You can look at the budget screen and compare line by line how your budget compares to your activity but I think there could be value in seeing that holistically represented. And then to actually spend it, you'll have to bring the money back into your budget when you transfer it to the checking account (another category) and then another category when you actually spend it. It took me a while to understand why savings should be on budget, but now that I get it, I switched them back on budget. I couldn't understand why the inspector panel kept telling me I had a lot more $$ available to budget than I thought I did. I can't figure out how to do this, Maroon Drum Good! © If you 100% didn't want to budget the amount in your savings account, you should leave it in tracking. Assuming the Forgotten Stuff category is flagged as a savings category, $80 would show on the report because  $80 is the amount available in savings. For example - I'm replacing my HVAC. Yes, it's "label" is going to be "MyMove" but I do NOT want to see it in my budget app. I was thinking in absolute values with the verbiage indicating function, like saying spent $500 doesn't have a negative sign. My Answer: It all comes down two things: money is fungible; it’s the Category balances, not the Account balances, that determine the purpose or intention of each pile of money; Money is Fungible. The light finally lit up. This means all the dollars in your budget need jobs—it doesn’t matter if that job is immediate, a few months from now, or years down the road. However, it seems to have problems syncing to Capital One and some Bank of America accounts. Ivory Stallion So how do you manage changing the different savings jobs when you need or want to? Now I get it! This will help you keep track of your accounts and money. You'll get most of the features you need in budget software, like automatic categories, bank synchronization, and informative graphs. That might be to pay my mortgage in 3 weeks or to pay for a new roof in 13 years. Is there a way to "turn off" the savings balance in an on-budget account, so those $$ don't show as available? Also, my money is scattered across multiple banks for security reasons. Based on such a graph, you can take action to adjust budget entries. I suppose all positive changes to budgeted values could go in the planet pie, and all negative changes could go in the moon pie. How do I reckon that $1000 as emergency fund within my budget now that I'm in the middle of a month and not starting out? These accounts should also include credit accounts from which you spend, so they're included in your budget as well. 2021. Fungible means that the electronic representation of $1 in an online savings account … This would of course be opposite of what Ivory Stallion is wanting it to show. Your medical emergency pot? I'm going to keep my savings as a tracking account. I don't find much value in that one haha. I'll be curious to hear what you think after 3-6-12 months. But it could go on my credit card if I happen to do a CVS run tomorrow at lunch. Here's a little secret: Checking, Savings, and Cash all work exactly the same. But when all of the accounts are on budget, the transfers between accounts have no categories. Thank you so much. If you're moving funds between accounts, check out this article on transferring money next. You just aren't separating the purpose from the location in your mind. That's not a problem. The account the money it is in doesn't matter. That's why savings accounts are Budget Accounts-- you'll give each of your savings dollars a job, too. There are numerous budgeting and expense tracking apps out there, some free and some paid for and you may need to try a few before you find the one that fits your lifestyle and way of … Nor I. Moving the money back and forth becomes a budgeting/categorizing/reporting nightmare. What insight would you gain that might induce you to do something different than you do at present? I set them up in YNAB as two separate accounts: Bank’s Name Cash (tracking) and Bank’s Name Brokerage (investment). You Don’t Need Tracking Accounts to Budget I think that could be accommodated pretty easily. Another way to represent that could be using a two-layer pie chart, where one ring shows budgeted proportions, while the other compares shows spending activity and available savings. I agree; although, I don't think the idea is contrary to the YNAB methodology either since the Spending report already reflects your category groups are percentages. If I move $100 from the available balance of the rainy day fund to cover overspending elsewhere, then the Allocation chart for the month should continue to show 0, not -100. feeling proud that 40% of my income goes to savings goals, users want to see how much they're diverting to savings. It seems to defeat the purpose of having a Savings account, which by nature is designed to sequester money from your regular working account. . YNAB is built to allow you to maximize handling real expenses, and that's why it's recommended that you create specific savings categories with specific goals (implied or in the software) that will support your needs. As-is bringing my Savings account on budget makes it impossible to graphically see how much money in a particular month has been allocated or set aside for Savings. With both services, you can create budgets, and track your expenses from the credit card and bank accou… An option let me just delete that one I could add that account as a tracking asset account. nolesrule If it were a new saving objective then I might just create a new category reclassify some of the transactions. Saving for the sake of saving seems useless to me. What we are saying is that there is a big benefit to changing the way you are thinking about this. In a month where you don't spend anything from a Loss of Income/Medical category, there is no activity so the categories would not be represented in the chart. This is great if you have more than one savings account or credit card. You should be looking at your budget to know how much to spend on things not what is in your bank account. I like to think my suggestion is a little better than the Balance Over Time report. I’ve tried different … :). I can see how using YNAB over time can lead to normalization, where very little shifts. You probably have multiple accounts to track, and if you are married, you have various people spending and earning money. I mean the budget entries completely reflect your priorities and (eventual) outflow and timeline. You’ll also want to enter your current account balance. Sea Green Hammer Because usually you don't. If you have a PayPal Credit Card, you would choose Credit Card. It doesn't matter if the savings are for a new big purchase or if you don't intend to spend it, you should assign it a job. Bonus: multiple category overspending should be graphed in the chart, and link back to the category to immediately fix the overspend with the move money tool. If you have Yen Checking, Credit Card, and Asset accounts, on the other hand, you will need to create all … The amount of money in your categories is defined by your priorities for your money. If I merely assign the $ to a category, that category builds but my savings account (a real asset) does not show the incremental monthly increases. But the other reality is that the money has a reason for being in the savings account. In my mind, the Savings "account" is designed to be a place where money is stored (not unlike an investment account). I kept seeing all my savings account monies in the "to be budgeted." What is that money for? Move Light , I hear your point about wanting to filter out long-term savings stuff. I would probably end up filtering long-term savings categories out of the graph, and just have it show monthly allocations/available for daily spending. So, if you have a long-term saving category group that is not flagged as a savings group, then the chart would only represent spending from the associated categories. dakinemaui Yes, that's why I was thinking of a graphical report on the budget page that simply showed the info in a spatially-represented manner. Sea Green Hammer I make about $60/month on interest in my savings accounts. Empower will float you up to $250 when you’re in a jam. This may be true for other budgeting apps and not specific to YNAB. It promises to help you pay off debt, save more money and create a flexible budget that makes it … I could be missing something but there should be little "spending" from savings accounts. 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